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Advanced Forehand Topspin (Loop) | Table Tennis | PingSkills


Hi, I’m Alois Rosario from PingSkills. Today
we’re going to talk to you about the advanced forehand topspin. In our lesson on the forehand topspin we’ve
already shown you the start and finish positions. These are still crucial when you’re trying
to play an advanced forehand topspin. So let’s first focus on the legs. To generate
more speed or have the potential to generate more speed we need to have our legs really
bent and our feet wide. The second important part is the rotation
of your trunk. This will start to increase the potential of the speed of our racket.
So on our backswing we’re rotating back, and on our follow through we’re rotating forward. There’s a transfer of your weight from your
back leg to your front leg but your legs aren’t moving during the stroke. Your stroke at the
start puts your weight on your back leg and as you rotate through then your weight goes
onto your front leg. The other thing you can start to do is just
vary the finish position of your racket. When we’re doing the basic forehand topspin we’re
finishing right up here near your eyebrow. As you start to advance your stroke and perhaps
try and hit the ball a little bit faster, you can get the bat finishing more forward.
The important thing though is that you’re still finishing up nice and high and not swinging
down too low. The other important part is where your bat
finishes. It’s important that the bat doesn’t finish past the centre line of your body.
So here’s the centre line, I don’t want the bat going anywhere past that line so this
is a good position. Now it can be up here right near my eyebrow or it can be more forward
but wherever it is it’s not crossing that centre line of my body. If you do go across
that centre line you’re starting to compromise your coordination and your recovery. If you do want a bigger stroke you can twist
your body through and as you can see now the bat still hasn’t gone past the centre line
of my body so I’m still coordinated, I’m still balanced and ready to recover for the next
ball. The other aspect of a more advanced forehand
is that their not going to be playing the ball straight to you all the time so now we
need to incorporate some movement. Thinking about what you can see on our basic footwork
lessons, we move across the table. Now the important part then though is to make sure
that you’re stopped and ready and balanced to make that advanced forehand. So if we’re
in this position, the next ball is coming over to the middle, what I need to do is make
sure I move across, get a nice balanced position, and then start to engage my legs, my twisting,
and my arm, to execute a really effective forehand topspin. To advance your forehand topspin you can use
your wrist. Now on the basic forehand topspin we keep the wrist fairly firm and move your
arm through in this sort of action. What you can do now is just relax the wrist.
On the backswing it will flow backwards, and then on the follow through it will flow forward.
You’re just adding a little bit of extra movement of your racket which will increase the racket
head speed which will increase the speed and the spin of the ball. The next thing we are going to think about
is the angle of our racket. Do you have your angle at 90 degrees to the floor? 80, 70,
60, 45? It becomes really complicated if you start to worry about the small degrees of
your racket. A more important thing to think about is the result of what’s happening with
the ball. If the ball is going to far it means you need to close your angle over a little
bit. If it’s going into the net you can open your angle. Some other principles to think
about are, if your bat is moving slowly with a very closed face the ball will drop off
but if you start to get a much faster swing with your bat then the ball is going to grip
the rubber and be projected forward. So there are a lot of little things to think about.
That’s why it’s important that you don’t make it too complicated. Have a look at where the
ball is going and then make some minor adjustments each time. That’s the way to get a really
good advanced forehand topspin.

David Frank

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100 COMMENTS

  1. divyansh agarwal Posted on July 28, 2016 at 12:29 am

    thanks a lot😃

    Reply
  2. Darwinian Bonobo Posted on July 31, 2016 at 7:03 am

    Hey Alois I'm a J-pen player and I'm wondering when to block and when to forehand topspin. I know Ryu Seung Min used (well he's a fat middle aged man now so he can't) his lighting fast footwork across the table to forehand topspin but he also blocked as well. How did he make the decision to forehand topspin or to block? How did would he come to the conclusion that he wouldn't be able to forehand topspin in certain situations?

    Reply
  3. Chris Chin Posted on August 4, 2016 at 12:14 am

    Man I can really see the spin you guys are putting on the ball. Love the videos!

    Reply
  4. testyakola Posted on August 12, 2016 at 6:19 am

    u guys are very into that finishing position thing but W the f does that matter lol it's the contact of the ball that's important isn't it not where the racket ends up

    Reply
  5. v m bareja Posted on August 21, 2016 at 8:27 am

    Love all the videos….:):X:P:D

    Reply
  6. JJfilms Posted on August 29, 2016 at 9:03 pm

    You really deserve more subscribers

    Reply
  7. Alex Pull Posted on September 1, 2016 at 7:03 am

    oh man, love your music choice 🙂

    Reply
  8. Albert Kozakevych Posted on September 15, 2016 at 6:20 pm

    I have a Problem my topspien don't have much spin

    Reply
  9. Albert Kozakevych Posted on September 15, 2016 at 7:44 pm

    can somebody help me

    Reply
  10. Albert Kozakevych Posted on September 19, 2016 at 6:40 pm

    my tospien goes Mostly about the plate and don't have much spin and i have got a good bat with much grip i don't know why that so is

    Reply
  11. Luciano Esposito Posted on September 19, 2016 at 11:47 pm

    what about the head of the bat , before contact, is going to point the floor , or is parallel to the floor ? thank you in advance

    Reply
  12. Albert Kozakevych Posted on September 20, 2016 at 11:50 am

    I have a question how much ttr do you have

    Reply
  13. Sandhya Pai Posted on September 27, 2016 at 7:24 am

    How hard do you need to rub the ball or glide the ball Alex???

    Reply
  14. Kunga Choedze Posted on October 1, 2016 at 12:01 pm

    I was a penhold gripper once and that time I wasn't able to strike topspin so I changed my grip to shake hand and now I can do many shots and that's why I want to thank you with my whole heart.

    Reply
  15. Marco Bucci Posted on October 2, 2016 at 5:08 pm

    c'è bisogno della traduzione in italiano

    Reply
  16. Bharadwaj Ananthkumar Posted on October 3, 2016 at 3:58 pm

    Alois I notice that your racket moves a bit past the centre line. The same happens with me. Is that okay?

    Reply
  17. Bharadwaj Ananthkumar Posted on October 3, 2016 at 4:00 pm

    Is there any website of yours where I could upload videos and you would help me configure the most suitable racket for me?

    Reply
  18. Doktor Kumpel Posted on October 5, 2016 at 8:04 pm

    I noticed that Jeff has a rather small snap of the forearm during his topspin. The angle between the forearm and the upper arm is almost the same before and after the stroke. He compensates for the potential lack of power with a good body rotation but it might still be a thing to keep an eye on for further instructional videos.

    Reply
  19. TableTennis Addict Posted on October 7, 2016 at 12:24 pm

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDVuNI2zQ_A

    Reply
  20. Monsterkosh Posted on October 8, 2016 at 2:15 am

    he's crossing his center line on the finish position…… just saying…. F- for him

    Reply
  21. Bradley Quinn Posted on October 13, 2016 at 11:01 am

    Where is this guy from???

    Reply
  22. Christian Adrian Aniceta Posted on October 24, 2016 at 4:54 am

    so I switch to forehand looping (c-pen)
    and my friends told me that I am terrible at top spin drills since my loop tends to have more side spin..
    They say that its good for actual game.. but its difficult to practice drills with me 🙁
    Do you have tips for me…

    Reply
  23. Kavith Fernando Posted on November 26, 2016 at 9:58 am

    awesome can you tell us how to improve the rubber grip

    Reply
  24. Arjun Nigam Posted on November 30, 2016 at 5:37 pm

    Hey Alois I have been trying to hit the forehand topspin but unfortunately it just goes way above the table. What do you think the problem might be?

    Reply
  25. Jasongrayson Posted on December 8, 2016 at 3:03 am

    Can you guys make a video on countering very fast topspin with topspin of your own?

    Reply
  26. Skilled Ghost3-CLASH OF CLANS Posted on December 12, 2016 at 4:11 pm

    Thnks very much ping skills.

    Reply
  27. Caletoon Posted on December 14, 2016 at 4:46 pm

    hi i wanted to ask is there any relation with power for this stroke as i have a wide body built and went to gym
    i happen to bring more power than spin what to do for this i have tibhar genius rubber on my for hand
    can you help me

    Reply
  28. Rezwan Sadat Posted on December 15, 2016 at 6:15 pm

    great video..thanks a ton

    Reply
  29. JesusChristIsLord Posted on December 18, 2016 at 11:46 am

    It's really hard to understand how anyone can dislike this video, smh. I mean, how much better can this get? Good job guys 👍 God bless 🙏

    Reply
  30. Scott Howard Posted on December 26, 2016 at 5:28 am

    That looks more like a loop drive. Not really a full loop. Still a lot of good tips. The coach I use is trying to get me to throw the ball up higher with more spin and a slower speed. Thanks for the vid.

    Reply
  31. Jop Immanuel Posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    Mantap is very good

    Reply
  32. Joel Xue Posted on January 22, 2017 at 3:03 am

    Really like the video. Got one question: where is the best contact point on the paddle for this type of forehand top spin? Thanks.

    Reply
  33. Duane Capulla Posted on February 2, 2017 at 12:25 pm

    What is the best way to return a fast low ball top spin? Should I block or should I loop kill?

    Reply
  34. Achim Siegert-wilcke Posted on March 9, 2017 at 10:03 am

    Hi PingSkills! Great material about topspin! My question: is there an optimal ratio of speed and topspin rotation to maximize the magnus effect, means to get the strongest curve? Thanks a lot for your answers or eventually another video! Br Achim

    Reply
  35. Ramya Khandel Posted on March 18, 2017 at 10:23 am

    thank u so much it is really very useful to me, as being an up coming table tennis player; i had many doubts. after watching this video i got many ideas about playing a proper topspin and iam sure the way u teach is very comfort to learn . i hope this video is going to be very useful to many up coming table tennis players………………… good job keep going.

    Reply
  36. Harsh Mane Posted on March 20, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Ping skills you are the best till now

    Reply
  37. Saurabh Chopra Posted on March 23, 2017 at 10:19 pm

    These videos are the best thing over. i m learning alot

    Reply
  38. Hafiz Umair Ali Posted on March 28, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    I've an issue with forehand.. I've just started playing table tennis a year ago…
    Whenever I try to make forehand smash, i kinda brush the ball for top spin which means i can't hit the ball flat.. That's why I lack speed in forehand smash which is definitely not good… I've tried to flatten the contact but most of the time it goes off table if I try to be more flatter..

    Reply
  39. Guillermo A Echenagucia Posted on April 24, 2017 at 7:37 pm

    Se ve fantástico y didáctico, me gustaría oírlo en
    castellano

    Reply
  40. Paul Raymond Posted on May 9, 2017 at 4:26 am

    Alios Rosario‘s spin is like Vildamir Samsonov.

    Reply
  41. wiktor mucha Posted on May 14, 2017 at 6:57 pm

    pingskills what to do to not ping pong please help

    Reply
  42. A Dog who wants 1000 Subscribers Posted on May 18, 2017 at 10:35 am

    I love this video

    Reply
  43. A Dog who wants 1000 Subscribers Posted on May 18, 2017 at 10:35 am

    alois became more black

    Reply
  44. A Dog who wants 1000 Subscribers Posted on May 18, 2017 at 10:35 am

    with more skills

    Reply
  45. Adam Murtaza Posted on May 21, 2017 at 7:25 am

    I love your channel …. !!!! It helps me alot…. Thankyou for making these helpful videos….!! Keep it up..👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

    Reply
  46. Rafael Lava Posted on June 10, 2017 at 9:01 am

    are there any differences in doing this when using a tacky and a grippy rubber? I was using grippy rubbers for 3 years then i'm planning to change my rubber. Thank you for the reply.

    Reply
  47. DyaVictor Posted on June 22, 2017 at 9:29 pm

    Very cool advice about racket angle! I love this video 🙂

    Reply
  48. Level 24 Posted on June 25, 2017 at 4:30 am

    awesome one helped me a lot 🙂

    Reply
  49. Spinnarax Music Posted on July 16, 2017 at 9:36 am

    hello alois sir, I am a boy of 11 years old and I want to know how can I make my topspin more powerful. please tell me

    Reply
  50. Pasang Gelje Sherpa Posted on August 21, 2017 at 3:27 am

    It really works thanks ping skill

    Reply
  51. BeAsT Posted on August 24, 2017 at 2:47 pm

    Do I need. To bend my wrist while doing top spin?

    Reply
  52. Glacius Posted on September 16, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    I recently used my phone to make a video of my practice sessions and I was dissapoonted to see that my tennis roots are still showing in my forehand 😐. I don't drop that racket head quite low enough (waist height instead of knee height) and and I often times end up finishing well above my head when I hit with more power. The end result on the ball is great but I feel like I am doing something wrong here. Is this okay, or do I need to work on this some more? I really want my forehand to start looking like yours and Alois. My backhand looks absolutely fantastic though if I must say so myself.

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  53. Lucas101 H Posted on September 21, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    Anybody else read "advanced foreheadspin"?

    Reply
  54. XraynPR Posted on October 6, 2017 at 3:36 pm

    thanks for the great video, really appreciated

    Reply
  55. Budi Hartono Posted on October 23, 2017 at 4:21 am

    The music enjoy and fun

    Reply
  56. Real World Endo Posted on December 5, 2017 at 2:51 pm

    You said not to cross the midline in the forehand top spin but in every shot you hit you crossed it. Was that an ideal statement or a practical one as the hand crosses the nose in every forehand top spin I see in this video!

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  57. mezanur rahman Posted on December 18, 2017 at 2:37 pm

    How improve low hight top spin practice.

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  58. mezanur rahman Posted on December 19, 2017 at 11:47 pm

    After watching this video I m clear this,more thanks.

    Reply
  59. Andy Zhao Posted on December 23, 2017 at 4:47 pm

    But doesn’t Jun Mizutani finish past the line though?

    Reply
  60. Spicy Shark Posted on December 28, 2017 at 10:08 pm

    does anyone know what this move is called? It's where you don't bring the bat up but you have it at an angle and you start fairly high. There is still a brushing motion but it is not going upwards, but forwards.

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  61. Spicy Shark Posted on December 28, 2017 at 10:09 pm

    Where should my contact be on the ball in my forehand topspin? Should it be shoulder width, in front of me, behind me, next to me, etc?

    Reply
  62. Crossiant Studios Posted on January 11, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    I can't stop doing this stupid shot. I lose so many points. don't do topspin kids. it ruined my table tennis interest

    Reply
  63. Eiji Muroya Posted on January 14, 2018 at 6:51 am

    That guy is definitely not using his legs…

    Reply
  64. Ben Dock Posted on January 22, 2018 at 7:09 pm

    im a national under 13 champion and i want some verry complicated shots to do.

    Reply
  65. PingSkills Posted on February 3, 2018 at 1:35 am

    I hope you enjoyed this lesson. For more advanced strokes tutorials visit our website: https://www.pingskills.com/tutorials/advanced-strokes

    Cheers,
    Jeff & Alois

    Reply
  66. Ronin Posted on February 18, 2018 at 4:54 pm

    1:30 Anyone else hear that ? 😂

    Reply
  67. SD 455 Posted on February 25, 2018 at 4:40 pm

    We should cross the centre line and hit with full swing

    Reply
  68. big Mac Posted on March 1, 2018 at 4:55 am

    Great instruction.

    Reply
  69. VaritesDelights Posted on March 5, 2018 at 5:43 pm

    Name of the salsa song? 😀

    Reply
  70. Kane Zephlyn Posted on March 16, 2018 at 11:15 am

    What bat are u using??

    Reply
  71. theoneandonlyKJ Posted on May 6, 2018 at 2:35 am

    Why do you guys bend your arm instead of straightening it out for more bat speed? Just curious.

    Reply
  72. Zazen forever Posted on May 25, 2018 at 5:58 pm

    So, Jeff obviously has a bent arm loop with his elbow bent at 90 degrees. Many others advocate a straight arm loop (Brett Clarke, for one). What are advantages/disadvantages of either? Its hard for me to get a lot of power with a bent arm loop. Am i doing something wrong? Thanks.

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  73. Burhan Ayan Posted on June 25, 2018 at 10:03 pm

    I think wrist movement should be the last thing a player consider but it definitely makes ball trajectory higher according to horizontal movement of paddle. On the other hand it seems more professional 🙂

    Reply
  74. Cheilith Posted on June 26, 2018 at 9:35 pm

    3:38 how come Jeff’s bat was finishing last his ‘Center line’? Is this just a rule of thumb?

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  75. Mayank Gupta Posted on June 29, 2018 at 5:00 pm

    Can you please tell when does the return to a topspin goes into the net?

    Reply
  76. Joao Fortes Posted on July 13, 2018 at 6:29 pm

    every now and then i come to pingskills videos to review my basics, and i ALWAYS learn or remember a lot of things

    Reply
  77. TheRealBamboosler Posted on July 29, 2018 at 10:54 am

    Says to not let the bat cross your Center line, 10 seconds later, bat is passing his center line

    Reply
  78. Ranjita Tyagi Posted on August 16, 2018 at 2:29 pm

    I won my school level tournament …….thankssssss

    Reply
  79. Bright Life Posted on September 2, 2018 at 3:06 pm

    Is that true In holding racket grip using index and thumb and no pressure in 3rd-5ft finger they said you will get a Much more consistent and good touch? FH and BH performance?
    The hold pressure is thumb and index finger only.

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  80. A'bdur Rehman Khan Posted on September 7, 2018 at 11:36 am

    My coach says to first learn topspin taking your hand from down below your knees and then shorten it…what if i directly hit the ball topspining from my knee level ? " Am a beginner"

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  81. Roberto Costas Posted on October 12, 2018 at 1:54 pm

    The best teachers of table tennis in the internet.

    Reply
  82. Roberto Costas Posted on October 12, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    I've seen trainers advising their players to move the bat leg forward while hitting de ball. I think it's unnecesary if you correctly transfer your body weight from leg to leg and that it compromises your balance and the recovery of the legs for the next stroke. What do you think about that?

    Reply
  83. indra reddy Akkaluri Posted on October 28, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    ur trainee/demonstrator is crossing the central line

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  84. Sughi Dev Posted on November 12, 2018 at 12:22 pm

    6:15 min the blue 👕 couch he is crossing the centre of the body while hitting the topspin ball which comes with a block

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  85. Sughi Dev Posted on November 12, 2018 at 12:25 pm

    I like Tom Lodziak video’s best one 👍👍👍

    Reply
  86. Kalim Sayyed Posted on November 28, 2018 at 11:55 am

    This type of videos are good to improve my virtual tables tennis game skills 😀 😀

    Reply
  87. Timmy Az Posted on November 30, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    Great video , I coach my students using this video . Very much appreciated !

    Reply
  88. Mayank Gupta Posted on January 6, 2019 at 2:26 pm

    I have got a faster racquet, palio expert2 and now i am having hard time playing powerful strokes. All i am able to do is block, or sometime play half hearted strokes. Can you suggest some ways i can adjust quickly. With my previous racquet, i was able to play so many shots, from different positions and now if i am not in position i always miss time it. Looks like margin of error is very less.

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  89. humgaga Posted on April 15, 2019 at 5:01 am

    Thought you mentioned earlier the bat cannot go beyond center line. But i saw in the wrist section, it went over. Need more explanation on this.

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  90. Vxneji Posted on April 17, 2019 at 12:09 am

    Love how they both going past their center line after telling us not to

    Reply
  91. BHUTTO Bhutto Posted on April 20, 2019 at 6:31 am

    Fantastic techniques..

    Reply
  92. BHUTTO Bhutto Posted on April 20, 2019 at 6:33 am

    Slow motion giving better understanding..

    Reply
  93. BEN TSAI Posted on May 12, 2019 at 3:19 pm

    4:05 wrist movement to counter the spin of ball and make a loop shot

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  94. Lily Ng Posted on June 5, 2019 at 1:08 pm

    Pingskills I am using penhold but my topspin isn't improving even though I followed all this tips

    Reply
  95. SUSHMA GUPTA Posted on July 11, 2019 at 8:20 am

    You told in tutorial that racket should not pass center of body to recover fast. But in the last few seconds of your video, it is passing in all the shots made.

    Reply
  96. SiddTCB all in one Posted on September 7, 2019 at 11:30 am

    You are the worst

    Just take the opposite of the last word in the sentence=you are the BEST

    Reply
  97. Linda Tan Posted on September 18, 2019 at 2:34 pm

    Pingskills, can i finish pass the line but the back of my hand is touching my forehand

    Reply
  98. Anil Gupta Posted on September 20, 2019 at 4:02 am

    How could brushing point be perfect I mean in my topspin I am unable to generate spin but only speed and what be the perfect contact point

    Reply
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