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Serve Placement | Table Tennis | PingSkills


Very early on in your serving development it’s important to start to focus on where your serve is going on the table It’s important that you start to understand where the danger zone is for your serve This area here in-between our two ropes is what I call the danger zone Why is this the danger zone? Because if you get the ball to land here, the next bounce is going to be out here and it’s going to be in the hitting zone of your opponent That is why you’d want to avoid this area here You’ve seen what can happen when I serve into the danger zone, so I need to start to think about the good zones So why is this a good zone? Because when the ball bounces for the first time here the second bounce is still going to be over the table That makes it a little bit more difficult for my opponent to make an attacking shot Why is this a good zone deep on the table? Because there I can get that ball travelling really fast and deep and if they’re in their ready position then they’re going to be forced backwards to make an effective attacking stroke So good because it gets a short serve, and good because you can get a really nice fast and long serve By serving that ball short it stopped Jeff from making a strong shot and it gave me the opportunity to make the first attacking shot in the rally The fast serve can also be effective as long as you’re getting it nice and long and deep and forcing your opponent away from the table Also you need to consider your opponent and their weaker and stronger sides. For example, if your opponent has a strong forehand you don’t want to serve the ball into their forehand area even if it’s going to be long and fast, and you can serve deep into the backhand side and vice versa If they’re strong on the backhand side avoid that area and play more serves into their forehand I wanted to examine the difference between a club level player and the best players in the world as to where they were serving So I took two games from a club level player and two games from the final of the men’s world singles championships between Ma Long and Fang Bo The results were really interesting. Lets first examine this short and long serving The club level player served 50% short and 50% long. And here’s the difference Ma Long and Fang Bo served 80% short and just 20% long Lets now look at the danger zone. So the danger zone as we saw is between about there and there Why is that the danger zone? Because if you land the ball there it’s going to be right in their hitting zone It’s going to be easy for them to attack, this happens sometimes when you’re trying to serve short and the ball strays a bit long. Or if you’re trying to serve that long fast one but the ball drops shorter giving them more time to be able to attack your shot So with the club level player 5 serves ended up in the danger zone, for Ma Long and Fang Bo, the number was 0 This a real difference between a club level player and the high level player This area here is a good area to play to, but sometimes we talked about Fang Bo and Ma Long serving there 20% So, really it’s not even in this area that we’re talking about 20%, we’re talking about this area here being 20% So 20% of serves into the green deep area but even for Fang Bo and Ma Long when they serve there, their success rate was still quite low It was less than 50% but it’s just used as a surprise tactic to keep the receiver honest to make sure they’re not coming in and standing all the way over the table The club level players we see do serve a lot of serves long and sometimes they get away with it because at the club level or at the lower level your opponent might not have a strong attack, but as you start increase the levels as soon as you stray long then the opponent is going to be able to hit the ball strong and hit a winner Initially what I’d like you to do even at the club level or lower level player, I want you to focus on trying to serve a few more balls short 70% is good, as you increase the levels and if you’re already a club level player or higher then you need to start to think about the Fang Bo and Ma Long statistics of 80% serves short and 20% serves long and that is only just as a surprise

David Frank

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100 COMMENTS

  1. TableTennis BelgiumTV Posted on August 12, 2016 at 1:39 pm

    Thank' you very helpfull !

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  2. Pratik Wasnik Posted on August 15, 2016 at 12:30 pm

    Very good lessons for beginners , thank you PingSkills !

    Eager to implement it in my office TT matches 🙂

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  3. Dean Kelly Posted on August 16, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    VERY informative. Thank you!

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  4. Oscar Arturo Vela Silva Posted on August 18, 2016 at 4:13 am

    Dangeeer Zooone *High pitch voice

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  5. Ceiling Fan Posted on August 19, 2016 at 2:38 am

    I have had a burning question in my mind. If I was to hit the ball, and it was to bounce on the other players court twice what happens? Am I penalised or what? Please answer this.

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  6. Turiya Das Bairagya Posted on August 19, 2016 at 12:41 pm

    It's a very helpful video, thank you pingskills, for helping me improve my playing style,.. I applied these techniques and i found it really very helpful

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  7. Luzty Posted on August 20, 2016 at 4:38 pm

    Can you pls make a vid of how to smash for beginners? or if you alrdy did pls reply me the link, thx!

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  8. SomeDudeinChirons Posted on August 20, 2016 at 11:26 pm

    I sometimes see you serve to the same side of the table when you serve, I always play you have to make it the the opposite side?

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  9. Stephen Garrett Posted on August 21, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    That long fast serve was ace 👌

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  10. Luis Nava Castañeda Posted on August 22, 2016 at 12:27 am

    Very helpful video! Thank you!

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  11. Saphal Rajbhandari Posted on August 24, 2016 at 4:34 am

    his head is brighter than my future.

    no offence. 🙂

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  12. Haiman's TV Posted on August 25, 2016 at 12:16 pm

    Very Beneficial.

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  13. The Egganator Posted on August 26, 2016 at 4:35 am

    thanks 4 the help

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  14. v m bareja Posted on August 26, 2016 at 2:52 pm

    Great video…..

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  15. White Fang Posted on August 29, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    Good video, but may I suggest its easy to get hung up on the stats. Using the long fast serve as an occasional or against players who can't deal with it is probably what you should be doing rather than thinking about 70 and 80 percents. I'm talking about mentalitiy being mainly a self-taught sportsman its easy to get hung up on getting things exactly as described by internet sources and that can take the fluidity from the learning.
    Maybe something worth being aware of when making videos in the future.

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  16. Reza Eshghizade Posted on September 4, 2016 at 7:36 pm

    thanks for video it hepled a lot

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  17. Adam Olaso Posted on September 23, 2016 at 8:24 pm

    you learn a new thing everyday. thanks for this great video!

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  18. LZcool Posted on September 27, 2016 at 5:37 am

    Awesome video as always, coaches. Thx.
    Coach Alois, could you make a video explaining your long topspin serve and your backspin serves, and how you hide them?
    Regards!

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  19. Kunga Choedze Posted on October 1, 2016 at 11:55 am

    Thank you very much for the video because I have one friend and he always strikes a topspin when I serve and these days I get the chances to do topspin over him

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  20. Melinda Green Posted on October 9, 2016 at 7:34 am

    Very helpful. What about strategies involving which side of the table to hit from and to? A short bounce that goes off the side gives an opportunity like a long ball. Also, the choice of side affects which side they return it to. I'd love to know more about how to use the whole table when serving.

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  21. Sagar Gandhi Posted on October 21, 2016 at 7:10 am

    Just a question here – What is someone just return ball with a flick/sidespin flick here for short balls ?

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  22. Vatsal Desai Posted on October 22, 2016 at 12:13 pm

    some people play the backhand flick shot even when we serve in the good zone…please tell me how can we stop the opponent from doing this..

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  23. Vatsal Desai Posted on October 23, 2016 at 1:55 am

    Thank you Pingskills!

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  24. Christian Adrian Aniceta Posted on October 25, 2016 at 12:57 pm

    do you have tips on what spin of serve to use to set up a good third/fourth ball attack?
    What is a good game plan for a double wing looper , chinese penhold player..?
    When starting in this sport .. I thought that a good serve are those makes my opponent fail to return it… so when my opponent were good at reading spin then I have no game plan and most of the time fail..

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  25. Shivanshu Jain Posted on October 30, 2016 at 8:06 pm

    Much appreciated explanation.. not many would tell this fact, although, experience is enough for this serve placement tactic.. Guys if you watch this video plz give it a big thums up . the guy deserves many more …

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  26. Arun GV Posted on November 4, 2016 at 9:08 pm

    Will try this for sure

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  27. Spyro Fury Posted on November 13, 2016 at 2:27 am

    this was really interesting

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  28. Regalo1.9.7.9 Posted on November 24, 2016 at 11:01 pm

    Pingskills is our favorite! Me, my kids and my husband greet each other sometimes "hi" (using your accent). That's a sign that we're in a good mood 😉😂

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  29. Aprameya Krish Posted on November 29, 2016 at 3:01 am

    My unofficial coach….

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  30. Danthespearton HQ Posted on December 5, 2016 at 2:30 am

    This is really useful advice; as an attacking chopper, I can do a short, back-sidespin backhand serve to my opponents' right side and do a 3rd ball attack. I can also do the same serve fast and long to my opponents' left side and force my opponent to either loop so I can chop, or just do it for a safe rally when I feel pressured. Great video, thanks for the advice!

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  31. R HP Posted on December 24, 2016 at 5:39 pm

    I am able to do a short double bounce pendulum serve, but i still get too much curve in the ball flight after the first bounce on the other side. To me, that seems to give the other player a lot of time to track the ball : eg. if I serve short to the middle of the other side, the ball will curve and double bounce to a right-hand player's backhand corner angle.I want backspin but also some sidespin to make it a more difficult serve to receive but I can't seem to control the mix of backspin and side spin.

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  32. MidnightSTALKER979 Posted on December 28, 2016 at 6:49 pm

    You forgot to mention modern half long serving. It's a serve that has it's second bounce extremely close to the edge of the table. Your opponent is first going to assume that it's short and moves forward for a short push. When they realize that the ball might actually not hit the table for a second bounce they move back again and try to attack. This attack will be very weak as they couldn't fully prepare for the shot and you will most likely be able to land an attacking shot yourself

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  33. Kunsel Yoongi Posted on January 15, 2017 at 6:33 pm

    Wow greatly explained 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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  34. Utkrishta Posted on January 21, 2017 at 6:43 am

    I think your videos are helping me to forward my table tennis carrer.

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  35. Christian Haugaard Posted on January 21, 2017 at 10:35 pm

    Why is it when serving a normal side forehand sidepin serve most players lock their upper arm so it in the same angle as the floor insted on letting the arm move through when you hit the ball like forming a reverse L with the upper and lower arm. There must be an advantage doing this

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  36. Vigneswara Prabhu Posted on January 22, 2017 at 9:19 pm

    Can you also show a video on how to return serves in good zone close to the net ?

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  37. Eliezer Steinbock Posted on January 25, 2017 at 7:00 am

    Would be great to hear the results on a larger sample size. 100 games from the top 10 players in the world for example. If these stats even exist.

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  38. Sakshi Bhardwaj Posted on February 5, 2017 at 3:10 pm

    Thank you for such a very useful tip

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  39. Sakshi Bhardwaj Posted on February 5, 2017 at 3:11 pm

    what is a forehand loop

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  40. tropical crow Posted on February 9, 2017 at 9:49 pm

    this is the first video any player looking to take the next step as a table tennis master should watch.

    Reply
  41. Johan Sulaiman Posted on February 19, 2017 at 3:47 pm

    Oh man, it's been so long since watching Ping skills. But I have a tournament in a few days and getting some good tips is nice. Thanks Ping Skills!

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  42. kaboom noob Posted on March 1, 2017 at 11:53 pm

    thanx I lern from this video

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  43. andrtux Posted on March 21, 2017 at 2:53 pm

    in doubles table tennis when I serve from the right table first fell
    on the left side of the table and then bounced off the right side
    of the opponent's in brief pendulum serv approximately valid or
    invalid services that I do thank's

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  44. Morten Lejel Posted on March 24, 2017 at 12:06 pm

    Im a table tennis coach too, and i have actually used some of ur ideas into my coaching, since alot of my students are between the age of 7-15 yrs, and they are new to the sport..

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  45. Dharaniraj Guntupalli Posted on April 2, 2017 at 10:08 am

    Hey coach….recently I played a match with a person who is very much talented in countering the balls….even a slight high chop gets him into attacking…….I could block at least 2 times as he starts hitting but…he goes on hitting and he took the game….can you help me to win against him

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  46. Tom D Posted on April 28, 2017 at 2:06 am

    Alex has a highly illegal service throw. He throws the ball backwards and towards him which contravenes the vertical throw rule.

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  47. Ramya Khandel Posted on May 4, 2017 at 9:54 am

    this video is really very helpful to me.
    tnk u so much sir

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  48. drr229 Posted on May 19, 2017 at 6:31 am

    ha ha like me. I play with one hand and write with the other too 😜

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  49. Troy Henry Posted on May 20, 2017 at 5:28 am

    I'd suggest being careful about your servers for some of them are questionably legal

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  50. hriday mafia Posted on May 21, 2017 at 9:51 am

    thanks for this wonderful video
    cheers…. pingskills!!!!!!!!

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  51. Cadax Posted on May 21, 2017 at 8:05 pm

    Can you teach the form you use for your serve

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  52. Cookie Monster Posted on May 24, 2017 at 11:00 pm

    That was very interesting! Thumbs up!
    Almost a scientific approach!

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  53. Margaret Fierce Posted on May 26, 2017 at 10:10 am

    very useful

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  54. Holy Hartanto Posted on June 29, 2017 at 12:50 am

    I serve 100% of serves long 😱😱😱
    I need to practice more…

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  55. Sanam Preet Posted on July 13, 2017 at 4:52 pm

    very nice vedio …… thankx and go on uploading more vedios!!

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  56. Kent Llenes Posted on July 22, 2017 at 11:55 pm

    how to serve backspin

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  57. David Sowerbutts Posted on July 24, 2017 at 1:07 pm

    Never thought of that. Brilliant statistic about 80% of the top players serving short. A real eye-opener

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  58. amita maahajan Posted on August 30, 2017 at 7:50 am

    Thanx sir

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  59. Suitch Posted on September 4, 2017 at 8:17 pm

    Jeff reminds me of the 'As seen on TV' commercials, with the hilarious 'accidents', when he intentionally misses the third shots… Still an amazing video.

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  60. DIY Name Posted on September 29, 2017 at 6:11 am

    His head is so shiny

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  61. VolTix Posted on October 8, 2017 at 12:12 pm

    Thank you verimatch

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  62. shon jain Posted on October 27, 2017 at 5:28 pm

    How to huge a player
    Sir

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  63. Don Frerichs Posted on November 3, 2017 at 6:17 am

    I lay out a bath towel on the opponent side to "trap" the danger-zone balls when I train with serves.

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  64. larrymar19 Posted on November 4, 2017 at 7:10 pm

    after seeing this lesson a few months ago, I began working on it, and it's made a huge difference when playing the really skillful attackers, I can't win from the serve but keeping it short keeps me in the point

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  65. Suppenhuhn 0815 Posted on November 5, 2017 at 6:48 am

    Is it good to serve nospinn balls (long/short) against long pipes?

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  66. Ninja Shadow Posted on November 9, 2017 at 11:33 am

    Can u sir,please make a slow motion shot cause I am not that good

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  67. Okwan Tanzinwan Posted on November 26, 2017 at 8:09 pm

    Where are the boundaries? I'd like to mark the danger zone off on my table for practice. Many thanks.

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  68. David Feiloakitau Posted on November 27, 2017 at 11:34 am

    Ahhh, c'mon Jeff

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  69. Suraj Shukla Posted on December 5, 2017 at 12:59 pm

    Very nice play!!!👍

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  70. Nick J Posted on December 16, 2017 at 10:04 pm

    Ma long..served "long" 😂

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  71. J K Gaurav Posted on December 22, 2017 at 4:58 pm

    Marvelous video. Thanks. I really needed the tips

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  72. Jordan Posted on January 15, 2018 at 11:34 pm

    I served it right into the danger zone!!!

    ..
    .
    I lost the point to a forehand loop kill 🙁

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  73. Matt Shockey Posted on February 14, 2018 at 2:58 pm

    Isn't the server in the examples tossing the ball backwards too much? In your serving rules video, Jeff explains that the toss is required to be mostly vertical. Thoughts?

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  74. Sushma Agarwal Posted on February 26, 2018 at 8:58 am

    My opponent is strong at forehand.so I give him in the backhand side but he sides and hit the ball forehand only

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  75. Neil Ellison Posted on March 2, 2018 at 9:37 am

    Some very good tips, but why when he demonstrates serve does the ball go in a loop backwards, not straight up?

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  76. college of allied medical sciences madurai Posted on June 13, 2018 at 11:18 am

    great

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  77. fritz balzun Posted on June 18, 2018 at 10:38 am

    mmm the other PingSkills video show you may not serve like that.. ball must go up vertical 🙁

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  78. Peter Nguyen Posted on June 29, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    30% of my serve is in the net, and 70% is out of the table. How's that for success rate.

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  79. Sean Hwang Posted on July 26, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Good point. Agree 100%. Won couple of singles events serving short last year.

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  80. Thibaud Deltrieux Posted on August 4, 2018 at 1:27 am

    Thanks, clear, simple and useful video. Cheers !

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  81. Ratish Rajan Posted on August 21, 2018 at 4:45 pm

    Thanks PingSkills I learned very good Service placement.

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  82. Karuna Reddy Posted on October 21, 2018 at 6:05 am

    What an observation !! thanks for sharing !!! Neva thought that ma long servers max short serves… thanks for the great explanation

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  83. Плетнёв Михаил Posted on October 21, 2018 at 1:13 pm

    best!

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  84. Rosy Biswas Posted on December 2, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    Wow! All I need to know is how to give these placements against different types of spins

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  85. Nathan Shields Posted on December 15, 2018 at 4:41 pm

    Can you teach us HOW to serve

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  86. Muhammad Tayyab Posted on January 1, 2019 at 11:01 am

    Good coach

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  87. daniel figueroa Posted on January 26, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    When I’m servicing, does the ball have to land inside the opponents box. Or can I serve and it can go to the side and not straight to them? Not sure if I’m making sense

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  88. Henry Yap Posted on February 14, 2019 at 4:20 pm

    Agreed. Will practice to serve 80% short.

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  89. Eloi Mumford Posted on March 18, 2019 at 1:23 am

    Always great advices , is there a video showing how to do short serve @ 80 % of the time ? i like to win .

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  90. pixel gamer Posted on April 13, 2019 at 12:16 am

    At 1:38 cant jeff do a heavy backspin or an in table loop

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  91. pixel gamer Posted on April 13, 2019 at 12:18 am

    What if they are strong on both sides.

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  92. c R Posted on April 14, 2019 at 3:18 pm

    thanks a lot! one question, at 1:56 you throw the ball to back, this is legal? because in another video says that the ball have to bee vertical

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  93. Stan the Man Posted on May 1, 2019 at 8:49 pm

    He has a perfect meme face

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  94. Roger London Posted on May 3, 2019 at 11:56 am

    Like this chap.

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  95. David Kado Posted on June 1, 2019 at 10:43 am

    How to serve short?

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  96. Karan Sumbly Posted on July 21, 2019 at 3:04 am

    How to practice short serve and how to pick up a fast serve from the opponent ?

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  97. Biraj Shrestha Posted on August 4, 2019 at 11:58 am

    Thank you sir

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  98. Cindy Tiew Posted on August 27, 2019 at 10:59 am

    I served a lot more short serves against the best player in my school (I'm the second best) but when I serve long and fast as a surprise,I get a very fast receive and I didn't have time to attack…

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